Speeches by Kohler.

“I hear what the Minister says, but we think that not enough is being done to protect the bioethanol industry in this country. We will therefore push the new clause to a vote. Question put, That the clause be read a Second time.”

“I am saddened by the Minister’s response. We cannot just leave it to the invisible hand of the market to make sure that sensible decisions are made regarding old oil refinery sites.”

“New clause 4 was of course a probing amendment, and the Minister has satisfied most of us that enough will be done to report on our progress towards net zero. I was less convinced by the Minister’s answer to new clause 5. With or without a chemistry degree, the point is a simple one: SAF is green, but some SAF is green…”

“I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time. If we are serious about meeting our climate obligations and economic ambitions, then transparency, accountability and evidence-led policy must be at the heart of the legislation. The ambition of the Bill to build a whole new industry is to be lauded, but it lacks th…”

“I am grateful for the Minister’s flattering and sometimes unctuous words. He makes a good point about 12 months not being sufficient time to give such a report, and I acknowledge the assurances that he has given. I beg to ask leave to withdraw the motion. Clause, by leave, withdrawn. New Clause 8 Review of the Potentia…”

“I rise to speak on clause 6 and new clause 6. As we have heard, clause 6 would create a levy on fuel producers. While I do not necessarily believe that to be the wrong approach, as with much of the Bill, the devil will be in the detail that is not available for us to scrutinise here, for obvious reasons. As my hon. Fri…”

“I have a brief question. When the Minister talked about the effect of £1.50 either way on airfares, was he talking about the effect of just the levy or the effect of the mandate as well? As we heard on Tuesday, the mandate will have far more of an effect on prices than the levy, given the premium that is likely to be r…”

“I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time. New clause 8 calls on the Secretary of State to publish a report within 12 months on the merits of converting disused oil refineries and other existing industrial sites into sustainable aviation fuel production facilities—and there is an opportunity to have such a r…”

“I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.”

“Such a report would not require there to be a delay. The report would be within 12 months, and we have already heard from the Minister that not much will happen within the first 12 months. That was the excuse given earlier in Committee for not doing various things. A report to focus attention on these sites would be us…”

“It is a pleasure to serve under your chairship, Sir Christopher. I congratulate the hon. Member for Maidstone and Malling (Helen Grant) on securing this debate, and her constituent, Sandy, on bravely campaigning on this issue. It is people like her who make a real difference to this world—thank you. A cancer diagnosis …”

“Q Mr Greenwood has made a compelling critique of the basics—“We have a mandate; why do we need the RCM? There might be unintended consequences.” I know you disagree with him, but I would like to hear why you disagree with him. Gaynor Hartnell: These projects are first of a kind, pretty much. This waste-based stuff is n…”

“Q I have been looking at some of the written evidence we have received in addition to the testimonies from the witnesses. I understand why clause 6 is widely drawn, but do you recognise that the levy being calculated in too complex a way would produce uncertainty, a lack of transparency, and externalities or transactio…”

“Q I do not know whether you have seen it, but Valero makes the point in its written submission that if the way that you calculate the levy is too complex, and if you base it on historical market data rather than current data, then with just a standard levy, that will produce problems, whereby new entrants will not be s…”

“Q Mr Counsell, I would like to quiz you on your first point. Given the premium on SAF, the mandate is going to cost far more than the RCM? Jonathon Counsell: Yes.”

“Q And issues such as tankering? Rob Griggs: We think it is probably too early to say. We need to keep an eye on that and whether there are unintended consequences of the way that this is set up. It is one to monitor.”

“Q The RCM is all about increasing the ability to produce, which will surely bring down the market price. Is not the RCM, in fact, an investment to cut your costs in the long run? Jonathon Counsell: We support the RCM: it is a critical mechanism and you will not get 2G plants funded in this country without it. We spent …”

“Q Using carbon dioxide to produce SAF is a wonderfully seductive and brilliant solution. You are addressing the regulatory obstacles, but what are the technical obstacles? Doug McKiernan: To be perfectly transparent with everybody, with carbon dioxide at the moment I think the direct air capture, compared with where we…”

“Q To your point on the RCM, the money you put into the RCM will bring down your overall costs, because the premium on SAF will go down, will it not? Jonathon Counsell: Absolutely—we hope that eventually, as you scale up SAF supply, the cost will come down. Will it ever come down to jet fuel levels? I do not think it wi…”

“Q May I go back to my first question? I hear what you say about being more ambitious, as the EU is towards the end of the mandate or as it progresses, but do you see any problems with the mandates being out of kilter? Or is that not an issue? Matt Gorman: If we start with the mandates out to 2030, we at Heathrow do not…”