Speeches by Munt.

“What is the trigger for that? Clearly there has been a big problem in the past, hasn’t there, if no one recognises the importance of somebody who is in prison saying, “I wasn’t there,” and you have DNA evidence? We have several cases, have we not, where the DNA evidence for the person who has been convicted was not evi…”

“And others.”

“So what you are saying to me is that the recommendation Chris Henley made about every case—all cases that related to the possibility of where there were DNA opportunities that might need to be looked at again—is in train, because you have adopted all his recommendations, and that is happening.”

“But every case is a person.”

“Thank you.”

“While we are talking about caring for people and working conditions, I wondered if I might just ask you this. You receive bonuses, I presume, every year. You don’t?”

“Okay, fine. Have you ever received a bonus?”

“Unusual?”

“You said you did not receive bonuses generally.”

“What might have provoked those payments?”

“Really?”

“Okay. Can you remember what sum of money you were paid?”

“Okay, and you did not think it was strange, bearing in mind all the work that you had put in over many years, that suddenly this popped up. The comment was made to me that, having had a 7.5% pay rise, you then received a bonus in the order of £8,000 to £9,000, possibly £10,000—I don’t have the accurate figure—a month b…”

“I am just amazed. Sorry, Sarah, if you do not mind—”

“Forgive me, I just want to pick up on this business of perceived independence. We have already heard this afternoon about how the previous chair held several positions at that business school in Fontainebleau that you attended. She was also chair of the Judicial Appointments Commission. Certainly, if I was inside a pri…”

“I always have more questions, Chair.”

“Where else did you consider placing your office, because, clearly, there is a difficulty with being in the centre of Birmingham or wherever you are? Where else did you think about putting your office? Government operates all over the country in all sorts of places. If you cannot get people to come to the office, why do…”

“Thank you. Turning to the substance of the Henley report’s conclusions and recommendations, we have talked about the main lessons. But there is one bit where the Henley report says that the CCRC needs to aspire to capture more miscarriages of justice and that “The question should always be ‘might this be a miscarriage …”

“Yes, indeed; I shall come to that shortly. The previous Government talked a great deal about the circular economy, had their own circular economy strategy and brought forward consultations on a number of measures to close certain loopholes that created an opening for waste crime. Sadly, despite multiple commitments to …”

“Will the Minister give way?”