Speeches by Phillips.

“It is lovely to see you here from the Justice Committee. Obviously, this is in the remit of the Ministry of Justice, but the answer to your first question is no, we do not know the data on how many people are in prison or are charged with specific domestic abuse. We have a number of different data sources that we could…”

“And it commences now. The point of putting that into the legislation—which was actually fought for by the Domestic Abuse Commissioner, as somebody was on all those Bill Committees—is exactly that: to make people pool their resources locally and make sure that duplication does not happen.”

“Sorry, the fan that I have on me is very noisy.”

“We will publish the violence against women and girls strategy, which as I have said will be published before the summer recess. What the violence against women and girls strategy will have within it is a monitoring and how we will test against it, and that is not just for my Government Department but for them all.”

“The Minister for Homelessness sits on the VAWG Board, and I do not want to play favourites, but she is an active member. It is often considered much more so with regard to domestic abuse, but there is a fundamental link across the board between violence against women and girls and issues around homelessness. There is a…”

“There is absolutely no doubt about that. From a Home Office perspective, we fund so little in the space of victim services and the vast majority of funding in victim services comes from the Ministry of Justice. I very much expect to see some of this issue around commissioning and timeframes in the violence against wome…”

“It not being a trial issue is for greater legal minds and the Department that leads on it to answer. However, what I would say is that is a huge amount of what we have been seeking to do in the first year of being in office and will seek to do going forward. The Domestic Abuse Protection Orders that we deliver in conce…”

“Say the first one and I will answer”

“Say it again, sorry. I am genuinely going deaf.”

“Obviously the Ministry of Justice leads on it, and the problem-solving courts and their successes have been monitored and seen, I would say, and some problem-solving criminal courts as well; there is one in Birmingham and it is brilliant. Obviously, again, you would not expect us to have a violence against women and gi…”

“The family court is part of the DAPO—Domestic Abuse Protection Order—pilot that is currently running; that is why I say we do it in concert with the Ministry of Justice. Obviously, the Home Office manages it from a policing perspective and the Ministry of Justice manages the application of those orders within the famil…”

“As you heard from those who are funded by the Home Office earlier, there is the general monitoring of both outputs and outcomes with any funding grant that is given down to any institution, but there also needs to be broader learning. If I were to be perfectly honest with you, there is not huge amounts of evidence that…”

“Yes. The Domestic Abuse Protection Orders is a really good example where, alongside the rollout of the pilot, we are funding a specific evaluation of how well that has gone. What I suppose I am coming on to say is we need to fund more research actually because there is not a huge amount. Gisela, do you want to say some…”

“You cannot do a randomised trial on support, can you? Because I am not going to say, “You can’t have support so I can test if you die.” It is a tricky one on the support front.”

“Yes. Regarding the prevention models around perpetrators, as Gisela says, there has been a piece of research into specifically the Drive model, which is high risk and high harm. Some other people this morning were talking about the standard and medium-risk—I will not say low—perpetrators. Obviously, risk is dynamic. Ag…”

“I absolutely understand it because I did it for 10 years and it is fundamentally irritating. Actually, having money from the Ministry of Justice, the Home Office and different metrics, I wish I could sit here and say that there is one single metric but different pots of funding are for different things. If I were to as…”

“If Health is saying to me that it is going to be funding let us say IRIS—which is a system around domestic abuse counselling in GP surgeries—I have to make sure from a strategic perspective that that is working in concert with something else we are doing. Actually, it is not that I am the better person to go out and fu…”

“Yes, but that is the point of the ministerial board: for us all to look at what our Government Departments do and how we should do it in concert with each other for an ultimate goal.”

“It is so hot in here.”

“As you know, it is a devolved issue in Scotland, and the Scottish Government lead their own violence against women and girls strategy, as do the Welsh Government. However, because of the manner in which police forces are different across the board, much of the interactions of the Home Office are England and Wales by th…”