Speeches by Hinds.

“This debate is a very important opportunity to discuss the upcoming cuts in the Department for Education. We know from the estimates document that overall resource departmental expenditure limits are coming down. We are told that that is largely a technical change as a result of changes to the student loan book, but I …”

“It is a great pleasure to see you in the Chair, Mr Western. The family farm tax was a hammer blow to our agricultural businesses. We understand that the Government seek to raise money, but there is an alternative on the table: the so-called clawback proposal. I hope that the Minister will update us on that and, if the …”

“Is that not what you—you are the employer.”

“No, sorry—I meant that there is an opportunity, if you are employing people who are very serious craftspeople, who are doing very serious crafts. Them teaching is another way of recouping the investment that effectively you have made in people. I am not suggesting—although I am sure she was brilliant after a day on a s…”

“No, sorry—I meant that there is an opportunity, if you are employing people who are very serious craftspeople, who are doing very serious crafts. Them teaching is another way of recouping the investment that effectively you have made in people. I am not suggesting—although I am sure she was brilliant after a day on a s…”

“A final question from me, and this might also be a question for Alice. Is there a revenue opportunity, given the move, particularly post-covid, to experiential—I do not know what the phrase is, but to people wanting to have that practical thing? There is a facility near me called Butser Ancient Farm, which is brilliant…”

“Why would it not be Hilary, as the National Trust? Why would you not lead in the sector? I was at a commercial radio operation the other day—Bauer is a media group that runs the Bauer Media Academy. I think there is the Global Media Academy as well. They don’t only train their own people; there is a recognition that th…”

“I have to confess, I am not sure I have quite understood.”

“Except leading members of that sector say something different, which is that because in construction you have subcontractors to subcontractors and people working on self-employment contracts, you cannot do that in necessarily the same way, but you can with smaller organisations, where needed, collaborating with each ot…”

“I am not sure I quite follow. You said that there was an abundance or an overabundance of people wanting to do the jobs, but it was hard to get in there.”

“We are going to talk about people and skills—Hilary, you were very keen to talk about this earlier. Maybe we start with Ben and Hilary. Could you outline the biggest or most pressing skills gaps facing the sector? Could you try to distinguish things that are specific to the heritage sector, as opposed to overall constr…”

“That is a subject to which we will return, I believe with our second panel.”

“Thank you; your views have been put very clearly. My final question is unrelated to that. Camilla, you work with Historic Royal Palaces, and you are in one right now. Do you have any advice for Parliaments, from your breadth of experience?”

“No, that’s all right. I want to ask about payments for listed building consents. In written evidence, we have had a variety of views on this topic. There is an argument that if you charge for listed building consents and they are at economic full recovery level, you could, in return, expect to have more conservation of…”

“Thank you. I think we have broadly covered conservation officers.”

“A final question from me, and this might also be a question for Alice. Is there a revenue opportunity, given the move, particularly post-covid, to experiential—I do not know what the phrase is, but to people wanting to have that practical thing? There is a facility near me called Butser Ancient Farm, which is brilliant…”

“Why would it not be Hilary, as the National Trust? Why would you not lead in the sector? I was at a commercial radio operation the other day—Bauer is a media group that runs the Bauer Media Academy. I think there is the Global Media Academy as well. They don’t only train their own people; there is a recognition that th…”

“Is that not what you—you are the employer.”

“I am not sure I quite follow. You said that there was an abundance or an overabundance of people wanting to do the jobs, but it was hard to get in there.”

“We are going to talk about people and skills—Hilary, you were very keen to talk about this earlier. Maybe we start with Ben and Hilary. Could you outline the biggest or most pressing skills gaps facing the sector? Could you try to distinguish things that are specific to the heritage sector, as opposed to overall constr…”