Speeches by Murray.

“Minister, I wanted to just ask a little bit about political engagement with policing in the UK. We heard from the previous panel that public order demand is now the highest the Met has ever faced. During the summer disorder, we had to see the police, the CPS and the Government working swiftly together. My ears picked u…”

“Thank you for that. If I could come on to another question about the impact of disorder on other policing priorities, the Chair referred earlier to the issue around neighbourhood policing and inexperienced officers being moved around. You referred yourself to the football season coming straight after the summer disorde…”

“Thank you for that. If I could come on to another question about the impact of disorder on other policing priorities, the Chair referred earlier to the issue around neighbourhood policing and inexperienced officers being moved around. You referred yourself to the football season coming straight after the summer disorde…”

“Thank you, Minister. I have one follow-up on it. That analysis, that reflection of the period of the disorder, does that apply only to public order policing or do you think you will apply those lessons more broadly to the whole gamut of policing? We have talked about trust and public support. One of the issues—you talk…”

“As a new Member, I sadly never knew Sir David Amess, but from what people have said about his dedication to his constituents and his good humour across the House, he is a model for all new Members to follow. At the Home Affairs Committee last week, we heard from the permanent secretary about how Prevent is changing and…”

“You have no view on that.”

“Let us go in order of importance.”

“If it is about competence, not willingness, why do you maintain the conversation between you and the director general and not go public?”

“The discussion was about whether you would ever go public, and you used the example of a director general. I asked, “What if you found that they were not competent to implement your recommendations?” Would you still keep the recommendation in a report and go public with it?”

“Can I ask a final question about stakeholders? In the first six months to a year of being in post, who would you identify as the key stakeholders for the chief inspector and how would you go about building those relationships?”

“It is interesting to me that the two groups that were absent from that list were anyone political, so No. 10, the Home Affairs Committee and the House of Commons were not mentioned in that, and anyone media or representing the public. That could be the wider press, trade unions or anything like that. Was that a deliber…”

“What would you do if there were tensions between those stakeholders?”

“That was my question, exactly.”

“My question was not whether there is a recognition. My question is whether there is an appetite. I do not think that the Home Office has struggled to recognise its failures of processes in the past. It just has not been willing to do anything about them. My question for you is whether you also recognise that.”

“You talk about processes. What process challenges do you think the Home Office currently has? Do you think the Home Office is in the market for improving those processes?”

“How are you judging impact? Impact could be that your recommendations are accepted by the Home Office and it changes policy, or impact could be that the national debate about immigration is affected and you get press coverage and start shaping it, or it could be that the lives of the actual people who are affected by t…”

“Imagine you are in the role and you have a year ahead of you and limited resources. The work of the Home Office is vast. The programmes that you have just talked about are huge ones. How would you go about designing a programme of work to maximise the impact of your office?”

“That is not what you just said.”

“Would you say that the Home Office wants transformational change and how would you evidence that?”

“When you say “to the benefit of end users”, what role do you think the ICIBI has in ensuring that migrants’ rights are properly protected and that the Home Office is treating people appropriately and fairly?”