Speeches by Gardiner.

“The problem with the CBAM, though, is that unless you put that money back into the developing countries, you are in effect putting a tariff on them and becoming protectionist, so the other countries will never be able to afford to decarbonise in the way we want. So CBAM is a double-edged sword, isn’t it?”

“Well, you raised the carbon border adjustment mechanism, not me.”

“But your target is for a 27% drop in emissions from livestock, not a 27% drop in meat consumption or livestock. It is the emissions from the sector.”

“How much more would it cost if we did not transition?”

“Exactly, and what we are talking about here is your advice to Parliament and to Government on how to achieve the balanced pathway targets. You have talked about scaling up SAF, but if you do scale up SAF, what impact is that going to have on the other very difficult sector for you: land use and agriculture? What are th…”

“As you well know, the European report said that only enough SAF would be made by 2040 to meet the increase in demand in aviation, so the emissions would be the same.”

“What policies from Government are needed to achieve that, and what recommendations should this Committee make to ensure that it happens?”

“Before you do that, can you explain why the European report said that the potential growth in SAF, for all the things that you just said, would meet only the increase in demand, and therefore emissions would be the same as they are currently?”

“No, but it is here: “land use, land use change, and forestry”.”

“There is a threat, but there is also an opportunity. What measures is my right hon. Friend taking to combat trade leakage and the diversion of goods produced in countries hit by high US tariffs, which may dump their products in the UK, undercutting our domestic producers? What steps is he taking to encourage manufactur…”

“Land-based gambling shops represent a silent crisis up and down this country, targeting some of our most disadvantaged and deprived communities. Will the Leader of the House join me in congratulating Muhammed Butt and Mili Patel, leader and deputy leader of Brent council, on their campaign, now supported by leaders of …”

“Thank you. For an offshore wind project, there are separate processes for seabed leasing, marine consents, landfall and the onshore construction activity, but there is very little opportunity for the affected communities to participate in the decision making until the operations go through the terrestrial planning, whi…”

“I was asking you for the good things that you are trying to do ahead of time while pointing out that some good things have already been done that you have not yet implemented. You did undertake to do so by the end of last year and of course good ecological status was promised by 2020, and we still do not have it. We co…”

“I was trying to lead in gently.”

“Minister, we heard that you are at the point of trying to get BBNJ ocean treaty ratified, which is great news, and you talked about the work that is being done that will mean that you can get on with it quickly. We heard from the witness earlier today from the MMO that they have completed their work on stage 3 and that…”

“I think that is a reassurance that ultimately this will come out well. You talked about the features-based approach to MPAs but of course the whole-site approach has shown itself to be more effective for marine conservation protection than the features-based approach. We see that in the Lyme bay example. It is one of t…”

“You did not have any input into that consultation document.”

“No, I am asking you specifically about this consultation document. I am asking you about that because, while it focuses on environmental considerations in terms of oil and gas, it does not recognise the challenges of marine spatial planning or the environmental impact of renewable energy developments and the wider envi…”

“Absolutely. Before DESNZ published its consultation on building the North sea’s energy future last month, what input did you have?”

“That is if I can remember the question; I have so many. When we are considering features-based MPAs, it seems to me that when you talk about the seabirds, for example, that is the feature on which it was designated. It is immobile. The seabirds are in that spot for a particular reason, usually because it is feeding gro…”